I think it pretty obvious that Adam was not circumcised. Why would he be? There is nothing inherently perfect or righteous about circumcision in and of itself. You have to remember that circumcision was only the mark of a special covenant that God made with Abraham and his offspring - long after the time of Adam. Why would Adam have to be circumcised since he was not a descendant of Abraham and not part of the covenant? I see no logical or scriptural basis for thinking Adam was circumcised.
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Was Adam "born" Circumsized ?
by RubaDub ini guess we have to assume that jesus was circumcised on the 8th day but what about adam?
he was "perfect", so did he have the weenie cut or not?.
i would like to bring this question up at a "get-together".. rub a dub .
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What do you think is the source of your consciousness? Can it be copied or transferred?
by EndofMysteries inthis seems to be a question that even scientifically is still in the air.
right now your consciousness, is it the physical part of the brain?
the electrical signals in the brain?
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I believe consciousness is an emergent property of the functioning brain. There is no one center in the brain that is responsible for consciousness. It seems like consciousness is the summation of the functioning of multiple - or all - centers of the brain.
Some people with certain kinds of brain malfunctions actually have a reduced level of consciousness. They're not unconscious but the acuity of their consciousness becomes detectably reduced.
There is a school of thought that suggests everything is conscious - but not with the same degree of cognition. Maybe consciousness is just a fundamental property of existence itself. Maybe a rock experiences its own existence in some very primitive, non-cognitive way. Maybe brains only enhance the acuity of consciousness instead of actually producing the phenomenon.
I think it is theoretically possible to duplicate a mind and copy your consciousness to another body. But that raises the question of what happens when the original body dies. Do you actually die or do you keep living. I think the answer to that question is that both happens! You simultaneously die and you keep living. You experience both because you are now two. Your consciousness has been duplicated. The you that it attached to the original body experiences death. The you that is in the new body experiences continued life. So the original you will experience death so duplicating your consciousness is no way to escape death. But then again, the copied consciousness will also feel as if it is you yourself and will think that it is cheating death. But the original you wouldn't experience that glee. I suppose the original you will have to die with the consolation of knowing that a version of himself still exists and experiences the joy of cheating death. I think the key to untangling the conundrum is to not see it as either or but as both. Both happens because you become two separate but identical consciousnesses both of which experience life as if they are the original you, while being unable to experience what the other is currently experiencing (after the duplication).
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How would you feel if this happened to you?
by Island Man inimagine you're a mentally out, physically in, awake jw who still attend meetings and occasionally do a little door-to-door perfunctory service just to please the still-in spouse and keep the elders off your back while you slowly and subtly try to free your spouse of the cult.
you're also a vociferous online critic of the jw organization and its harmful policies and false teachings.
one day while out doing your occasional perfunctory door-to-door service with a still-in jw, you knock on a door and the householder comes out and says:.
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Just to make a clarification: The scenarios I've given are not actual occurrences that I've experienced. They're just hypothetical scenarios for the sake of discussion and to elicit any real experiences from others along those lines. -
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How would you feel if this happened to you?
by Island Man inimagine you're a mentally out, physically in, awake jw who still attend meetings and occasionally do a little door-to-door perfunctory service just to please the still-in spouse and keep the elders off your back while you slowly and subtly try to free your spouse of the cult.
you're also a vociferous online critic of the jw organization and its harmful policies and false teachings.
one day while out doing your occasional perfunctory door-to-door service with a still-in jw, you knock on a door and the householder comes out and says:.
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Wow it would be awesome...
Maybe we need a code for JW's that are out but still in:) Something they can do discreetly.
See this thread
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QUICK! Questions to ask MARK SANDERSON!!!!!!!
by TeenageInsider inquickly!!.
mark sanderson at a regional assembly.. i will find him and ask him questings.. please quickly leave questions you want me to ask.. i will record and post updates!!!!.
hurry..
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Jesus told his followers to not call their fellow brothers leader because Jesus is their only leader. So is the faithful and discreet slave obeying the spirit of Jesus' direction given that they call themselves the Governing Body? -
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My cat died suddenly!
by Fisherman ini did not realize that they were symptoms that something was wrong with my cat -but i did notice that my cat was breathing a little differently for a period of about a few days.
i also noticed prior and after to that, that on occasion, my cat would cry at the litter box, but that was a very seldom event.. anyway, about a week ago i noticed the symptom that my very loved cat was breathing heavy.
so i called a taxi and i was going to rush him to emergency room for cats.
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"You wouldn't want to bring reproach on Jehovah's name, would you?"
by Esse quam videri inwhat would be your reply?.
my reply: jehovah is big enough to take care of himself.. yours?.
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It depends on the context. If the statement is being made as justification to not report allegations of pedophilia to the police then my response would be:
Which would bring greater reproach on the name of Jehovah: To report an allegation of pedophilia to the police and have the public thinking that one of Jehovah's Witnesses is a pedophile? Or to keep it secret and then years later the public finds out, not only that one of Jehovah's Witnesses is a pedophile, but also that congregation elders covered up the issue so that the pedophile was able to attack more victims?
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Evolution is a Fact #19 - Goosebumps
by cofty inat the base of every hair follicle in your body are tiny muscles known arectores pilorum..
when you are cold, or frightened, or otherwise aroused the muscles contract and make your skin look like a plucked turkey.
this reaction, known as the pilomotor reflex, is caused by a surge of adrenaline.
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When I was in primary school there was this girl that sometimes helped me out with my work in class. It gave me goose bumps and a pleasant feeling at the back of my neck moving up to my head.
It wasn't sexual, mind you. It was just . . . I don't know how to put it . . . weird in a positive way like a non-sexual arousal that comes from being helped or pampered by a friendly, nurturing human being.
It might be a vestigial feeling that was present in social animal ancestors that groom each other and pick out insects from each other's coats. The pleasant feeling and the goose bumps that sometimes come when a human is pampering you probably served to raise hairs so that the pampering grooming partner can more easily see ticks and other insects and pick them out.
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How would you feel if this happened to you?
by Island Man inimagine you're a mentally out, physically in, awake jw who still attend meetings and occasionally do a little door-to-door perfunctory service just to please the still-in spouse and keep the elders off your back while you slowly and subtly try to free your spouse of the cult.
you're also a vociferous online critic of the jw organization and its harmful policies and false teachings.
one day while out doing your occasional perfunctory door-to-door service with a still-in jw, you knock on a door and the householder comes out and says:.
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Imagine you're a mentally out, physically in, awake JW who still attend meetings and occasionally do a little door-to-door perfunctory service just to please the still-in spouse and keep the elders off your back while you slowly and subtly try to free your spouse of the cult.
You're also a vociferous online critic of the JW organization and its harmful policies and false teachings.
One day while out doing your occasional perfunctory door-to-door service with a still-in JW, you knock on a door and the householder comes out and says:
"Are you Jehovah's Witnesses? I know all about your organization and how it has covered up cases of pedophilia, refusing to report confessed pedophiles to the police! And what's this crap about Jerusalem falling in 607 BCE? There's mountains of evidence showing that it actually happened around 586/587 BCE. I know all about your twisted cult thanks to the internet. And don't even dare give me this propaganda nonsense about apostate lies. That's just a grooming tactic to get people to disbelieve the ugly truth about your cult in preference for your self-serving lies! I know all about your cult thanks to many online ex-JWs like Mike and Kim, John Cedars and..."
. . . and then he mentions your online name! He actually mentions your name! You are out in service knocking on the door of someone you educated about the evils of Watchtower . . . and he's vocally refusing to hear the message you have come to "preach" to him and he goes back inside and shuts the door in your faces, saying he wants nothing to do with your corrupt religious organization.
How would you feel? Would any JW have anything even remotely approaching the feeling you'll have?
Or how about this:
You read an experience online of an ex-JW who was disfellowshipped/disassociated for accepting a blood transfusion to save his life. In the experience he relates how a certain comment or blog posting by a Watchtower critic exposing the folly of Watchtower's blood policy, made a lasting impression on him and gave him the courage to defy Watchtower and accept a blood transfusing, likely saving his life. He relays the points in the posting and you find it sounds . . . it sounds eerily familiar . . . and then it hits you: Wait a minute! That's my posting - I posted that! My speaking out against Watchtower's fanatical anti-blood doctrine likely saved this man's life!
Has anything like these happened to you or any awake (ex-)JW that you know?
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Does anyone think Jehovah is protecting the org. despite all the talk about THE ARC ?
by tor1500 ini've been thinking this for a while.
even before the arc scandal.
it seems no matter what, the org.
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This is it Island Man.
(Luke 12:11, 12) 11 When they bring you in before public assemblies, government officials, and authorities, do not become anxious about how or what you will speak in defense or what you will say, 12 for the holy spirit will teach you in that very hour the things you should say.”
Thank you redpilltwice. Add to the above scripture Luke 21:14,15 which says:
Therefore, resolve in your hearts not to rehearse beforehand how to make your defense, 15 for I will give you words and wisdom that all your opposers together will not be able to resist or dispute.
What Geoffrey Jackson and other JWs said in their testimony at the ARC was successfully disputed and resisted by the commissioners. The JWs were on the defensive, looking like dishonest scoundrels caught lying and exposed for reprehensible policies. They did not exhibit any irresistible or indisputable words of wisdom.